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I caught the storm in between fronts, and so it wasn't too gusty to go out for my lunchtime walk with my brolly. I am, however, mighty warm now, and this office isn't helping any.

Congratulations to Hillary Clinton and her victory in Iowa yesterday. It's good to know that the forces of big money and centrism will keep us safe from too much boat-rocking.

EDIT:
Yes, it is perhaps misleading to say that Clinton won in Iowa. Perhaps it's a downright mistruth. However, she still has nearly three times the delegates of the 'winning' candidate in Iowa.

Date: 2008-01-05 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drivingblind.livejournal.com
What the metric fuck?

Date: 2008-01-05 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
SuperDelegates. The Party Administration uses them to keep candidates who stray too far from the ideals of the DNC from actually, you know, getting elected. If their influence on the media and their stranglehold on funds and their club of Party Loyalty aren't enough.

Um, no, actually.

Date: 2008-01-05 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-friday.livejournal.com
Hillary did not win in Iowa yesterday. She did not earn more votes of Democratic Iowans who caucused yesterday. Currently she has the most delegates to the Democratic convention. Nobody ever said these are Iowa delegates; the implication is actually that they are not.

What is not said, and which would be most useful, is how many delegates were up for grabs yesterday. That would give us a better idea what percentage of Hillary's current total were honestly earned, and which have been bestowed thus far.

Also, what is not mentioned is the great irony of the whole matter. Here is the Democratic Party, Champion of the Little Guy, making very sure that the little guy has as little say in the process as possible. At least the Republicans are honest in their representation of the ruling class.
Edited Date: 2008-01-05 12:59 am (UTC)

Re: Um, no, actually.

Date: 2008-01-05 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
And that was pretty much the reason I posted the Edit. The CNN page provides a pretty full breakdown, including a state-by-state allocation of the superdelegates.
And yes, shock and surprise, the Democratic Party is just as vested in the status quo and keeping The People out of democracy as the Republicans. It's one of the reasons many people think that we live in a one party system.

Re: Um, no, actually.

Date: 2008-01-05 01:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] evilmagnus
I also felt the pull of WTF?

Then I checked the numbers; Ol'Hilly has 160 delegates right now, most of them being SupaDelegates. She only won 16 yesterday. But! She still needs over 2,000 delegates to get the nomination, so even with her Vested Interest Self-Starter Delegate Pack, she's still got a long way to go.

Although, you know, I still think the entire process is fucked beyond recognition. What ever happened to 'join a party, get a single vote in the nomination process'. Do it all at once, by mail-in. Done! Also means there's less of this crappy pre-campaign campaigning.
Edited Date: 2008-01-05 01:11 am (UTC)

Re: Um, no, actually.

Date: 2008-01-05 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
This is true. Only twenty percent of the nomination process has been completely removed from the hands of the party members (and independents, in open primary states). There are 3,253 pledged delegates and 796 superdelegates, so one could feasibly overcome the disapproval of the DNC. After all, Howard Dean nearly did so.

Date: 2008-01-05 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 7leaguebootdisk.livejournal.com
Iowa is just weird, with the caucus system, it takes more dedication that a normal election, it means very little, just as NH is so different that the rest of the US as to be meaningless too.

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