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I'd forgotten how twigged I was by the UberMensch* undertones in The Incredibles.
The rest of the film is still a lot of fun, and it gave my PCGF work; it's just the one thing.

*Society is a burden to the UberMench, forcing him to sacrifice his excellence and take on the mediocrity of the herd. If only the world would let him be himself, existing outside the rules of society, everyone would benefit.

EDIT: A discussion with a friend indicates that I need to expound on my topic. It is not that I think the characters are UberMenschen who need to be dragged down to the level of everybody else. It's that I think the director feels that if only society would recognize the greatness of certain people who were born great then they could feel free to be full of greatness. Or something. I mean, at the end of the movie you have the track competition where our newly heroic hero tells his son how to be less exceptional than he really is, in order to fit in. Which, as far as I can tell, was directly against the point the director was trying to make. Jesus fuck, it's one in the morning and I'm so far behind schedule and so stupid tired that you should quit listening.
But I still think it'd be funny if Google were invited to take part in College Bowl.

Date: 2009-11-05 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tavella.livejournal.com
People keep claiming this, and I see a remarkable lack of actual real world backing for it. If anything, our society has gotten *more* uneven in its rewards.

Date: 2009-11-05 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] senatorhatty.livejournal.com
Well, I don't know about people with super powers, but it's pretty clear that a goodly number of folks liked former President Bush BECAUSE of his disdain for intellectualism, and these people similarly didn't like Gore/Kerry/Obama because they embodied this.

I do think society is uneven in its rewards, but I am not sure just how much actual talent has to do with it, and how much of it is a combination of talent, societal interest in the subject (for example, sports heroes), and luck.

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