Tell me about Cardiff
May. 31st, 2008 03:58 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
cyranoCan anybody tell me about the state of immigration in Britain (specifically Wales) in post WWI?
It looks like the Pakistani immigration didn't really get big until the 1950s, but I don't see anything about Caribbean or Indian or African immigration. (Or possibly Irish immigration, I don't know. I'm a bad history major.)
It looks like the Pakistani immigration didn't really get big until the 1950s, but I don't see anything about Caribbean or Indian or African immigration. (Or possibly Irish immigration, I don't know. I'm a bad history major.)
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Date: 2008-05-31 02:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 04:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 03:56 pm (UTC)Cardiff Bay was - and still is - a massive hodgepodge of mixed races and nationalities, and the fact that it's (still) so geographically small meant that people lived kind of one top of each other and socioeconomic class (i.e. money) became more of a divider than race or nationality.
There is a Cardiff Chinatown down in "The Bay" (Atlantic Wharf with its shops and shiny eateries and fancy, expensive apartment blocks is a new thing, really), and there is a big North African (can't remember exactly... think I'm thinking Somali, possibly Sudanese... eh) community there. It also has the big Mosque there.
The distinctive "Kairdiff" accent that people confuse with a Scouse (Liverpool) accent has come about for similar reasons to the Liverpool one - a mix of Welsh and Irish accents in the predominantly English-speaking population of the city... except that it's Irish and South Welsh rather than North Welsh up in Scouseland.
What else do you need to know? I have friends back home who are properly into their Cardiff history, and could probably furnish you with a lot more details. However, if you're looking to seek out the history of the immigrant population in Cardiff, the history of the Bay is going to be key. Unsurprisingly! :)
Good luck and let me know if there's anything else specific you'd like me to try to search out for you.
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Date: 2008-05-31 03:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 04:03 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-05-31 04:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 04:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 04:40 pm (UTC)Depending on the era, it also gets more Old Money the further north you go. Cyncoed, where my folks still live, is north-central, and used to be the Old Money, back in the day (1920s/ 30s). It was also a predominantly Jewish area (we had menulkahs on all the doors of our house in particular - almost as if the previous owners were really, really scared of something getting in...).
I'm guessing that Cyncoed, Radyr and Llandaf would have been pretty genteel (or, at least, rich) in 1920, but then when you start getting into the villages and vallyers beyond... less so...
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Date: 2008-05-31 04:50 pm (UTC)Oh excellent. Thank you. (:
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Date: 2008-05-31 04:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 04:00 pm (UTC)This is definitely an excellent start. I'm trying to find photos or maps or something of the Cardiff area, but have had limited luck. Luckily, my gamers probably know as much about the setting as I do, so I can make shit up with impunity.
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Date: 2008-05-31 04:03 pm (UTC)When by? And in what format?
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Date: 2008-05-31 04:06 pm (UTC)You are so cool. (:
(http://torchwood_1920.livejournal.com)
Don't flatter me until I come up with the goods!
Date: 2008-05-31 04:37 pm (UTC)http://www.urban75.org/photos/wales/cardiff-bay-docks.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/familyhistory/pages/butetown_moniqueennis.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/walesonair/database/tamed.shtml
I think this one is going to be particularly useful for background, if you've time to go through it all:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/black_history/pages/tiger_bay.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/history/pages/slavery_capeverde.shtml
http://www.bhac.org/index.html this lot might have something
http://www.glamro.gov.uk/ this lot have what you’re looking for, but you need to contact them!
http://www.oldukphotos.com/glamorgan_cardiff.htm Jackpot of old photos
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/webguide/pages/local_history.shtml some useful links (where I found some of the above!)
Captain Morgan! http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/halloffame/historical_figures/henry_morgan.shtml
Rather than bombard you with more, I’ll leave it there for the minute. I’m heading home for a family visit next weekend, so I’ll see what I can dig up. May be a good excuse to drag my li’l sister to visit what we call a LIBRARY...
P.S. Oooooh, now I'm wishing I did online roleplay, because that looks FUN! :D
Re: Don't flatter me until I come up with the goods!
Date: 2008-05-31 04:51 pm (UTC)You're going to keep me busy. (:
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Date: 2008-05-31 04:53 pm (UTC)Also another link, which I'm enjoying at the moment: http://www.cardiffians.co.uk/timeline.html
Even has mysterious disappearances and stuff in it...
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Date: 2008-06-18 07:45 am (UTC)Re: Don't flatter me until I come up with the goods!
Date: 2008-06-18 08:36 am (UTC)Spent a fair amount of the Saturday before last searching through books and maps in the Local section of the local big bookstore in central Cardiff (it turns out the Library has moved - the building being demolished - and my dad doesn't know where it went...), and found:
{le sigh} Lots of (overpriced) books of photos of Old Cardiff (and plenty of the era you were after), but no maps of the era. The closest I found was these ones:
http://www.cassinimaps.co.uk/shop/product.asp?P_ID=454
and
http://www.cassinimaps.co.uk/shop/product.asp?P_ID=622
Neither of which, on close-up, real life inspection in the shop (whence I got the main URL) seemed to give proper streetmap-level detail. They were pretty and all, but I didn't feel confident enough that they were going to be useful to you.
I'll keep searching in the meantime, but that's the closest I've got so far (apart from the Government site I mentioned before).
I'll go look at
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Date: 2008-09-22 02:46 pm (UTC)http://www.bakerlite.co.uk/old_cardiff.htm
Hope that's of use to you!
How's the campaign going, anyway?
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:12 pm (UTC)We've managed to maintain that adversarial nature that produces dramatic tension, and they're working together as a team now. (Last episode they managed to take out a Cyberman.)
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Date: 2008-05-31 04:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 05:02 pm (UTC)It's near the Coal Exchange and the old City Hall, isn't it? I'd've thought it was a working dock, but I don't know for sure. I'll go dig out my father's old maps and try looking in the Central Library for older ones next weekend.
You've (inadvertently) set me a research project and that makes me inordinately pleased - thank you! There are maps involved too - yay! XD
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Date: 2008-05-31 05:05 pm (UTC)"Formerly named the Oval Basin, the area was one of the docks for a thriving coal port during the latter half the 19th century and much of the 20th century. Following World War II, the plaza entered a period of decay and dereliction until the 1980s, when the Cardiff Bay area was regenerated."
So there we have it. There's also a historical bit later. Hope that's a help!
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Date: 2008-06-01 06:10 pm (UTC)I may be misunderstanding the use of the term 'plaza', of course.
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Date: 2008-06-01 06:16 pm (UTC)Cardiff's Oval Basin served as a lock at the city's historic docks until it was filled in during the 1960s to stabilise its walls.
Cardiff
Date: 2008-06-04 11:43 pm (UTC)Just thought I would tell you that.
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