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Eggplant Boy provided me with this helpful link to Double Plus Ungood ThoughtCrime provoking books, including one that suggests that in a capitalist society, those who hold the capital might try to maximize profit. Do not allow these books to contaminate your precious bodily fluids at any cost, citizen!

Date: 2005-06-01 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahnan.livejournal.com
Harmful. Fascinating. To think that the Communist Manifesto is harmful because "The Evil Empire of the Soviet Union put the Manifesto into practice"--which is true, I suppose, in the sense that the Crusaders put Jesus's teachings of meekness and love into practice.

I'd be fascinated to know why "Origin of the Species" was so harmful. Or, for that matter, "Coming of Age in Samoa" or "Introduction to Psychoanalysis". Books of politics or philosophy, sure, OK, dangerous, don't you dare read them, they corrupt, whatever. But science?

Date: 2005-06-01 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
They are dangerous because Jesus says they are. This is all we need to know. Plus, the Crusades are an invention of that evil hollywood jew Ridley Scott and never really happened. And science is only bad if it doesn't have a profit base.

Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mnarra.livejournal.com
Clearly you believe that science and religion are separate. Tut. Science is either the creation of God, as in the case of the sort that creates DVD players and DDT, or it is this generation's version of the Golden Calf, raised up to supplant God, as in the case of Asheron's Call. Anything that tracks its muddy feet over carpet laid by the almighty is not Science but Sacrilege.

Origin of the Species: Suggested a possible origin that did not equate to "God & Six Days". Clearly immoral for that very reason. You can have all that science stuff, if you wish, as long as you don't research or theorize into areas that are already covered by Truth.

Introduction to Psychoanalysis: Suggests several unwholesome things; human nature is cause/effect (trauma/condition); embracement of sin is not the fault of the embracer, but of hir trauma; that rejection of those sins may be accomplished without God. Further, this work of Darkness suggests that it is no longer adequate to say, "that's just how I am" or "God made me like this," but rather that it is in our control to be better than we are naturally, which implies a responsibility for our actions that is antithetical to the conservative credo.

Coming of Age in Samoa: Not familiar with the beastly thing. Sorry, you're on your own to figure this one out.

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sararainmaker.livejournal.com
embracement of sin is not the fault of the embracer, but of hir trauma

Not to rock the boat or anything, but I personally think this is just a sorry excuse for not taking responsability for ones actions, and it sickens my that the psychological community embraces it so much.

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mnarra.livejournal.com
Absolutely. The psychological community has simply traded any words referring to higher power for words relating to trauma/training. Feh! My feeling has always been that I am capable (sometimes easily, sometimes with effort, sometimes with enormous difficulty) of controlling what my actions will be.

Which leaves me feeling that everyone else can, as well.

"Everyone is broken, stupid, or just like me."

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sararainmaker.livejournal.com
I was one of those "Psych majors" in school... but I dropped out very soon after I started. I got sick and tired of hearing about how much someone WASN'T at fault. "Blame the parents" "Blame society" "It takes a village to raise a child" ... ...

Listen either they are psychopathic and really DO NOT know right from wrong, in which case they should be put in an institution...
or... *GASP*
They are just lazy punks who want to be bad for the sake of being cool or only do bad because they are too lazy to do good... or for many other stupid reasons that they use because they feel they can get away with not taking responsibility... and should be put in Jail.

either way, they are off the streets. but no... it is society's fault... we can't put them away, they are not responsible... and the innocent suffer... children get beaten because "my father beat me, its not my fault I beat my child..." ... DUDE you KNOW how bad you felt when you got your ass beat...

hmmm. I am ranting... I'll go away now.

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mnarra.livejournal.com
"I am ranting... I'll go away now."

No, no. Rant, and see what comes with that.

[leans forward, lacing fingers together]

What do you feel when you rant? And why should you go away if your rant?

[looks wise] Zee muzzer. Vee often look to zee muzzer in zees cases.

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sararainmaker.livejournal.com
*laughs*

I suppose I just listen to people talk about "statistics" and I look back on my own very "statistical" life and wanna vomit. People look for excuses to be mean, rude or just plain nasty. I am not nasty, I am bluntly honest at times, but only when people need to hear what it is that I am saying. (in which cases its also most likely they don't want to hear what I am saying)

I have all the excuses in the world. I was raped at 12, pregnant at 16, brought abusive men into my life... I was shunned in school, my mother had a habit of being... slightly bi-polar...

of all these things, I could pick two and have a perfectly "Psychological" excuse for being a nasty crack-whore living in a trailer home with 6 kids and an abusive alcoholic husband. I could rob liqueur stores and purse snatch, I could even thieve from friends and abuse my kids, and I would "not be to blame"

Makes me sick. of COURSE I would be to blame. there is no one to blame but myself. what could I blame?
Rape? it happened 16 years ago and if I held on to that - it would be MY choice to do so (ergo, my fault).
Pregnancy? It was my (our) fault in the beginning, I did the right thing and good things came from it. Again holding on to it I would be my own victimizer. (my fault once again)
Abusive men? hmmm. my fault again. As I once heard a comedian say "In real life dangerous men are the ones you are leaning out of your trailer home yelling 'take his ass away officer!'" I was young and stupid and I learned my lesson and moved on. If i were still choosing them It would still be, you guessed it - My fault.
Shunned in school? This one drives me up the wall... those Columbine kids used this excuse to shoot up half the school and go nuts before offing themselves. Yeah okay I wasn't popular, it wasn't the end of the world then and it's DEFINITELY not the end of the world now. if it was... oooh MY FAULT! :D
bi-polar mother? eh, everyone have a crazy relative, mine just happens to be my mother. I learned to live with it and move on in life. If I hadn't... hey kiddies... MY FAULT...

my psychologist told me once, when I was in a seriously deep depression, that it wasn't my fault for being depressed. even back then I looked at him and asked, "If it's not my fault, who's is it? I control my feelings, no one else can do that. I control my actions, no one can do that either. Who is it, exactly then, that IS at fault for my own depression?" granted it turned out to be something that wasn't in my control, being brain chemistry and all that jazz, but still even in an off-side sort of way, it was MY brain chemistry, and in-turn, MY FAULT.

[looks dim] hmmmz. peerhapse ziz iz a kaze ov zee envy ov zee peeniz, ja? ven von haz zee peeniz envy, von kould peerhapse becomes veery angryz. :D

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mnarra.livejournal.com
"ven von haz zee peeniz envy, von kould peerhaps becomes veery angryz."

Ah. Yes, I see now. I notice that you continually accept blame for all the things in your life, things that are clearly not your fault, but the fault of what was done to you. This seems to be almost a self-crucifixion ... crucifixu are potent phallic symbols, and the Christ was often symbolized by a fish, another phallic symbol. All that rage, centered about such potent phallic symbols --

Yes, yes, clearly penis envy. Well diagnosed. You are hereby freed of any guilt -- although not consequence -- for your actions. That being the case, it wouldn't hurt you in the least to pay a little visit to some people I have on this list, and just, let's say, act out your angers.

I'd appreciate it awfully....

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sararainmaker.livejournal.com
That being the case, it wouldn't hurt you in the least to pay a little visit to some people I have on this list, and just, let's say, act out your angers.

Hold on... I have a list of my own I have to act out my angers on... no... where did I put it -.-

I Like you :D
/me Keeps you.

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mnarra.livejournal.com
"I Like you"

I'm very pleased. I like you, too, both ranting and playing ... but that just reflects my early trauma and conditioning.

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sararainmaker.livejournal.com
hmmm.
*smirks*

I wonder what would happen if...
*grins evilly*
*rings a bell*
*waits*

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-01 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devilsaprentice.livejournal.com
my father can't come to the keyboard right now, he is currently swimming in a pool of his own saliva.

--Othello.

(now, does the post comment button give me a pellet, or a shock? I always forget...)

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-02 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sararainmaker.livejournal.com
rofl!!

I hope it was tastey :)

I like the colorful pellets... the round ones with the "S" on the top. :D

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-02 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sararainmaker.livejournal.com
Then again... sometimes I like the shock too :O

Re: Pontification Warning:

Date: 2005-06-02 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mnarra.livejournal.com
I have problems remembering my EST, but I understand that's pretty much the norm.

Mmm, fried frontal lobe. Good times, good times.

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